Wednesday, February 10, 2010

Nathan Leal found on Recyling Old Visions.

With some of my recent research, I have found Nathan Leal Recyling the Visions of A.A. Allen in regards to his so called Statue of Liberty Visions he has supposedly been Having.
Statue of Liberty Drunk ...Read February 26, 2008
Liberty will be Decapitated! ...Read February 2, 2008 

When I found it to be very similar to A.A. Allens Vision  
A.A. Allen's Statue of Liberty vision
Who does he think he is trying to fool God, well he isnt doing too good a job with it.
From his Forum Favourtism, one of his members known to have links to Satanic Practices, an goodness knows how many more in there that Wolves in Sheeps Clothing, to Nathan Leals Favourite of Recyling Old Visions an calling them his own an of God......


Hondo said...

Yes his site is loaded with wanna be prophets, seeing visions and building a strong movement against the churches. They are "anti-church" because the churches don't want to hear what they have to say. I guess his forum gives them a place to vent to each other.
misery loves company! LOL

One "whacko" on their says..."I only go to church when I have a message to give them and then I leave". THAT says alot!

Anonymous said...

Wow! I just got censored and then banned from the Watchmans Cry forum
for speaking up about a false prophet named Rick Wiles. Turns out these two guys are buddies in their apostasy, so they had to shut me up quickly!

Anonymous said...

I just started listening to him...
I haven't decided about whether he
is real or not. I'm just considering everything. Ultimately, it's the Bible that we have to listen to. I think the reason his message is so hard hitting is because we all feel like we must be deserving of judgement.

Anonymous said...

Look, Nathan thinks he is some kind of martyr for the faith. He isn't. He's just like Steve Quayle, constantly recycling fear and terror in an attempt to "wake people up". But what they call waking people up is really just them enjoying the possibility of death and destruction that is going to come on the world.

You know, it always happens the same with these inside-club groups. The know the truth, and nobody else does, eh? Well, you know what? I can see the terror gripping the world and to some extend, I agree with warning people. But what these people are doing is just WRONG. Spreading lies, fear, and FALSE prophecies all over the net. And I'm sorry but Steve Quayle and Nathan Leal and others like them are doing more harm than good.

How are we supposed to overcome when we're gripped with panic and fear? How much more "waking up" do we need to do? We see it, d**n it. We f***ing see it. And you know what, no amount of silver or gold or rice and beans stockpiled to heaven is going to save us from it. It's asinine. We're not dealing with some run-of-the-mill war or economic depression. It's the f***ing end of the world.

And instead of driving people to Jesus Christ they're driving them to gold and silver and all the f***ing corruptable things that Jesus warned us against so many times. I've had it. I'm done with doom. I'm done with these so-called prophets and so-called watchmen. I'm starting to think these will be the first people thrown into the abyss on judgment day. I hope I'm being too harsh, I really do.

But I just can't see how people can spend their whole adult lives spreading false warnings and get away with it. Especially since they constantly claim their words have been fulfilled.

And I'm sorry for the harsh language above but I'm f***ing tired of the pansies in the church who won't stand up to this type of fear mongering for financial gain.

And you know what? These people are taking COMFORT and JOY in the fact that many folks are going to die in this turmoil. They are planning on sitting back in their gas-mask infested bomb shelter and laughing their a**es off while saying "haha, told you so" to the world. Well let me assure you that Noah wasn't laughing about those who died in the flood. He was probably heartbroken. But nothing about Leal or Quayle shows ANY feeling or caring about the lost. They only care about death and destruction and judgment of God.

I'll tell you this, that when the Lord finally judges us all for the deeds done in the flesh, he's going to expose the motives of men's hearts.

leia said...

I also got banned from their site because I refused to accept the fear mongering... Here is the PM I received!!


Dear 92R,

You have received a new private message at The Watchman's Cry from Donna,
entitled "Re: radiation".

To read the original version, respond to, or delete this message, you must log
in here:

This is the message that was sent:
Get thee behind Satan...You are gone.

Good bye.

Find Christ,

---Quote (Originally by 92R)---
---Quote (Originally by Donna)---
---Quote (Originally by 92R)---
---Quote (Originally by Donna)---

Your attitude and attack on Second Saphire is uncalled for.

That is great you own a rad counter....good for you.

But there are many counters all around this country that are picking up trace
amounts of radiation.

Are you more knowledgeable than all of them/

Radiation is HARMFUL.

And we need to watch and be aware. The government lies about such things. SO
it is wise to not trust their reports on such things.

Do not continue your tirade!

In Christ,
---End Quote---
I haven't attacked her but the fact is that there is inacurate info being
posted. Now if someone were to act on that info and give their children KI and
those kids reacted to it would you not feel culpable for this? I never disputed
that low, very low levels have been detected and all that have are also
reflected at the EPAs site.
What would you prefer truth or something based upon fear? Your choice. Ban me if
you please! I will state fact...something others aren't!
---End Quote---


You apparently trust the government. Well most here are too smart for that. If
you believe the government is the best source for info....then why join a s

ite like WCF.I will ban you if you continue to attack other forum members.

You are not OUR main source of information.

Your are not humble by any means and your attitude is bordering on un-Christian.

I will not warn you again.

In Christ,
---End Quote---
I just ask myself why I would join a site that allows inaccurate, fearmongering
infomation to be posted which could endanger uninformed members. You can be
culpable, I won't! I have tried to delete my account and haven't found a link to
do so. You are welcome to delete for me. I won't sit idle while people are given
bad info. So rather than I have to temper my post because people take offense to
truth I will just stick to sites that don't make money off fear
---End Quote---


Again, please do not reply to this email. You must go to the following page to
reply to this private message:

All the best,
The Watchman's Cry

Anonymous said...

Nathan preaches a message of hope in repentance. A message that is missing in the church today. He teaches that we should not fear death if we have spent the time we needed on our knees repenting before GOD.

I am sorry that you cannot see that. I will pray for GOD to deliver you of your blindness.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the Comment Above...there are many false prophecies...I kind of God Jaded as a New Christian. Also, they are into British Israelism and seem very racist to me. That is the way they came across after spending time on their forum.

I also seen some Missionaries that needed help after a sever storm. THey asked for help and were banned. Also, I;ve seen other Missionaries from foreign countries come on and ask for help and they were treated harshly and banned as well.. Even though some of the other members knew them being legit. I think Nathan just wants all the money to go to him? I had to reconsider Pentecostalism after being on that forum for awhile.

Alot of talk about Obama even though God put him in office..The Birth Certificate issue has gone a for a long while..There is only hate and racist comments (subtly) about Obama. I did not vote for Obama but there seems to be hate anger and rage hiding behind KKK white sheets on that forum... I do not see the love of CHrist on there.

Anonymous said...

Hi!!! Nice forum. This my first post.

David said...

Look back at the history of this site.

In 2009 it was announced by the "watchman' that the Holy Spirit had revealed to him that the Swine Flu epidemic was God's judgment on the nation. He referred us to the Book of Revelation and the judgment of "pestilence". It is now generally accepted that there was never any epidemic. "The whole swine flu scare was based on the death of only one soldier at Fort Dix, New Jersey (One report said october, 1975 and another said February, 1976). There was never any real evidence that he even had swine flu". See full article at

Was it God who was confused about the Swine Flu epidemic as His judgment? Or was this watchman falsely quoting God? Any intelligent person can see God would not have given this man such disimformation.

In 2010, needing another example of God's judgment to scare us with, the watchman told us at the height of the Gulf Oil Spill in May of last year that the Holy Spirit revealed to him that the oil spill was God's judgment against the land, and called it the "poisoning of the waters" in a Biblical reference intended to make us all go "ooooh, see, its in the Bible". He said God told him there would be food lines, soup kitchens, widespread famine throughout the land, and violent riots as a direct result of the Gulf Oil Spill. Again, I ask you to consider: who was confused here: God, or this man telling you he got this message from God?

Again, the answer is pretty clear. And if its not God who is giving him the messages, who do you think it might be?

Needing a new scare for 2011, he is now jumping on the hottest ticket in today's news, the coming of Comet Elenin. He calls this the "Endtime Destroyer" in a shameless appeal to our basest instincts of fear of the unknown. Mark my words, folks, when this comet event passes relatively uneventfully, he will do what he always does: not apologize, hope we all have bad memories, and scan the headlines for a new scare to pass on to his followers as "special revelation" from God.

Of course, we should all tune in to the next broadcast because he is the chosen one God uses to reveal truth to us. And we who think the Bible is God's revelation, not dreams and visions from men, well, we are just ostracized and ridiculed by the watchmen and his army of followers.

I feel very sorry for the people who get all caught up in this falsehood. They are so deeply indoctrinated into following their watchman that they are nothing short of being true cult victims. When I go to the WatchmansCry forum and read the sad posts of the people all bent out of shape because of fear and unable to discern for themselves what is God's truth, and swearing allegiance to this man's version of truth,it is very disheartening.

I know, because I myself got hooked for a short while on the "gospel of doom" when I was an infant in my walk with Christ. Thankfully I was able to quickly discern that fear was not the will of God for my life, or anyone's life, and I made a clean break from this apostasy. For those who claim his message is a message of "hope", you are sadly laboring under delusion. I defy anyone to listen to any of his broadcasts in his archives for the past few years, and come away believing that "hope" was the central theme of the broadcast.

The ones still caught up in this snare are the true victims, and I truly believe the false watchmen and pseudo-prophets will feel the full force of God's wrath for the damage they do to these children of God.

If this man is truly interested in doing the will of God, why doesn't he stop spreading fear, and go out to the nations and spread the GOOD NEWS of the gospel, like Christ commissioned us to do? Oh, yes, I keep forgetting, he is on a "special prophetic mission" from God. None of that gospel stuff applies to him.

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Anonymous said...

I like Nathans sermons, they have inspired me to repent, seek God and quit using sleeping aids for example.

I think it is clear for all Christians that God will judge the world and that we should be awake and watch the signs of times before our Lord returns. The Bible is full of this "fearmongering". I don`t agree with eveything Nathan says, I don`t believe Elenin will be anything special for ex. Also, Nathan does NOT claim all his warnings are revelation from God. I think he encourages people to seek God and discern things for themselves.

Rick Godley said...

Yeah, I'm on the precipice myself. Been a member for 4 years and my account has been restricted. I keep wondering where in Scriptures does a Watchman throw the sheep over the wall?

Anonymous said...

I know, because I myself got hooked for a short while on the "gospel of doom" when I was an infant in my walk with Christ. Thankfully I was able to quickly discern that fear was not the will of God for my life, or anyone's life, and I made a clean break from this apostasy. For those who claim his message is a message of "hope", you are sadly laboring under delusion. I defy anyone to listen to any of his broadcasts in his archives for the past few years, and come away believing that "hope" was the central theme of the broadcast.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

People did not like the "prophets of doom" in the Bible either. But the biblical message is not just about doom, it`s about repentance and turning to God. Unfortunalety most people stop listening when the doom part comes first.

Rick Godley said...

Nathan, doesn't have the conviction to respond directly to e mails. Talk about not walking in the light.

Anonymous said...

GodleyWorks is right. Nathan doesn't respond to many emails. He'll respond to a few, but as soon as they get personal, it's like you become invisable to him.

Anonymous said...

It is just a forum people. If you get banned for not following the rules...then just deal with it. You all need to grow up. There are many forums out there...go find a new one and join it. Whiners.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why Nathan Leal doesn't answer some of his emails. Perhaps because he's not a 'Pastor', but a 'Watchman'. I believe God has called Nathon Leal to be a Watchman in these last days. God's anointing is on this man. If he has errored by joining up with Rick Wiles, Steve Quayle, etc., then we need to pray for him, not bash him. If he truly is God's anointed, you DON'T want to bash him. God says: 'Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm.' Remember King David? Before he was king, even he wouldn't touch King Saul, because even though Saul was in error, David knew that Saul was still God's anointed. So .... pray for Nathan and Donna. They need our prayers. Satan's warfare is mighty against God's servants and if we're mature Christian's and we see someone in error, we should be upholding them before the throne of God, not bashing them and beating them up more than they've already been bashed and beaten.

Rick Godley said...

"It is just a forum people. If you get banned for not following the rules...then just deal with it. You all need to grow up. There are many forums out there...go find a new one and join it. Whiners."
Pretty obvious who this is....
Confirming that Truth is Hate to those who hate the Truth.

The Spirit of Elijah said...

I just tried to join The Watchman's Cry forum today to share some things the Lord has revealed to me over the years. I registered my name, went to my email, clicked on the activate link, then waited for their return email. When I received it, she then asked me for a SHORT reason why I wanted to join the forum. So I emailed her back and said, "to share some things with the brethren that God had revealed to me." She then emailed me back and said that was TOO short and she asked for a LONGER reason. lol I just told her to delete my account, that I wasn't interested in playing silly games with her. Lawsy...

Anonymous said...

I don't have a problem with Nathan as a Watchman. I don't have a problem with his audio's at SQ. The problem is that on the forum too many threads are deleted if they are not in agreement with TPTB. You'd a thot with the mass exodus last year of many of the senoir members these problems would've been adressed and fixed.

Instead, it's turned into more of a social club rather than a forum for discussion.

And yes I will remain anonymous.

David777 said...

This whole idea that supporters of prophets of doom have that the preaching of doom does a positive thing because it brings people to repentance is misguided. If we are scared into repentance, then our repentance is worthless. People will do or say anything when they are scared.

True repentance comes when we get to the point where we realize our sinful lives offend God and we are truly sorry and wish to stop offending the Lord. We cannot be scared into true repentance. To repent, for example, because we think it will cause God to leave our house standing after the tornado or tsunami passes through is an absurd, unbiblical kind of repentance invented by false prophets like these. They use fear as their vehicle because fear sells, and fear attracts attention. That is what they want, your attention and your money.

Fear is popular and it attracts the wide following they desire. Just go on any Christian forum and see how the posts and the threads that are fixated on fear outnumber any other topic by a wide margin.
No true believing Christian has a thing to fear from any disaster, rogue comet, swine flu,dollar devaluation, earthquake, tornado, or tsunami.

We are all covered by the blood of Jesus, and anyone who spreads fear in the name of the Lord is undermining the work done on the Cross, not to even mention how it disrespects the Lord's name to speak falsehood and claim God told you.

We have a choice to make: we can keep listening to the watchmen, and store our gold and cower in our bunkers, and spread the fear like a disease to other Christians in internet forums and blogs, or else we can get out there and do what we are commanded to do and spread the good news of the gospel to all corners of the earth. I know what my choice is.

By the way, as others have hinted at, I'm pretty sure I detect one of the watchman's personal entourage posting here. The anonymous post calling us all whiners was a dead giveaway. Speaking up about something that is wrong would only be called "whining" by the ones who are responsible for the wrongdoing. They feel the need to post here because they realize this website comes up right near the top of the first page of search results when you Google "Nathan Leal." (An amazing accomplishment, by the way. Hats off to the owner of this website.)

The people (and there are many, myself included) who got banned from the forum didn't for the most part get banned for not following the rules, as this anonymous poster claims. They got banned in most cases because they expressed views that didn't fall into lockstep with what the watchman was teaching and views that cast what the watchman was teaching in an unfavorable light, or worse yet, showed it to be unbiblical.

I, for example, was banned and had my posts removed for speaking out about another false prophet, and it turned out the other false prophet had a business relationship with the watchman. (They appeared on each other's radio shows.) It seems business certainly comes before truth with the false watchmen of the internet.

David said...

This whole idea that supporters of prophets of doom have that the preaching of doom does a positive thing because it brings people to repentance is misguided. If we are scared into repentance, then our repentance is worthless. People will do or say anything when they are scared.

True repentance comes when we get to the point where we realize our sinful lives offend God and we are truly sorry and wish to stop offending the Lord. We cannot be scared into true repentance. To repent, for example, because we think it will cause God to leave our house standing after the tornado or tsunami passes through is an absurd, unbiblical kind of repentance invented by false prophets like these. They use fear as their vehicle because fear sells, and fear attracts attention. That is what they want,
your attention and your money.

No true believing Christian has a thing to fear from any disaster, rogue comet, swine flu,dollar devaluation, earthquake, tornado, or tsunami. We are all covered by the blood of Jesus, and anyone who spreads fear in the name of the Lord is undermining the work done on the Cross, not to even mention how it disrespects the Lord's name to speak falsehood and claim God told you.

We have a choice to make: we can keep listening to the watchmen, and store our gold and cower in our bunkers, and spread the fear like a disease to other Christians in internet forums and blogs, or else we can get out there and do what we are commanded to do and spread the good news of the gospel to all corners of the earth. I know what my choice is.

By the way, as others have hinted at, I'm pretty sure I detect one of the watchman's personal entourage posting here. The anonymous post calling us all whiners was a dead giveaway. Speaking up about something that is wrong would only be called "whining" by the ones who are responsible for the wrongdoing. They feel the need to post here because they realize this website comes up near the top of the first page of search results when you Google "Nathan Leal." (An amazing accomplishment, by the way. Hats off to the owner of this website.)

Rick Godley said...

I gues my point of sorrow about the whole thing is that th 'gatekeepers' are not willing to walk in the Light. Plus they allow so much fear mongering and 'chicken little'. God forbid you want to discuss something and you have been 'marked', and made a post. You are surrounded by the hen pickers. Really sad in this hour.

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe an entire website has been created to bash and attack a brother and sister in Christ.

Praying for mercy when you stand before the King...


David said...

What I can't believe is that for nearly 4 years now a ministry that calls itself Christian has been engaged in little more than human dream interpretation and relating fanciful visions from the human mind and passing it all off to the body of the church as true revelation from the Lord Himself. And worse, soliticing financial support all this time to do this "work".

And when some of us finally have had enough of the false prophecies and fear mongering done in the name of the Lord God Almighty Himself, and we start to speak out in forums and on blogs, we are painted as the evil doers.

Time after time, month after month, year after year, it was the same old story: "God told me this", and then it doesn't happen, "God told me that", and it doesn't happen. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that he was issuing the thoughts of his own mind and putting God's name on it.

Read your Bible. ANYONE who speaks falsehood and puts the name of the Lord on his lying dreams is a false prophet. Read Jeremiah 23 about what happens to false prophets before you worry about us for speaking out about it. We are in fact COMMANDED to speak out to the body about falsehood spoken in the name of our Lord.

I have heard that he recently announced a change in direction for his ministry where he will focus on preaching the gospel. I truly pray that he follows through with this plan. My prayers go out that this marks a change of course for him and his ministry. Clearly any Bible believing, God fearing man can see that the false prophecies have to stop. The Lord is patient, but His patience has limits.

Only time will tell, but if websites like this one and others have played even a small role in helping him see the error of his ways, then they have served a worthy and righteous purpose. This man needs all of our prayers for his restoration and spiritual wisdom in making the needed changes.

Anonymous said...

What ...God is not able to give similar prophecies to two different men ? The church is not listening because she is in apostasy . Anyone ever heard of Laodecia ? I think it is shameful that people attack others because they do not like the message. Why not be like Gamliel who said when speaking about the early apostles and their beliefs, "If these men be not of God then nothing will come of it , but if they are you cannot stop it."

Anonymous said...

To those of you who think that he is a false prophet because the swine flu epidemic did not do the harm it was supposed to , remember Nineveh was supposed to be judged also. Jonah said it would , but God spared them . Perhaps we were spared what might have been an epidemic because many were praying it would not.

Anonymous said...

I would urge everyone to be very careful about WMC. They ban people like crazy. When you ask Nathan or Donna a question they get angry. They are burned out and tired. If the forum was a God thing, He would give them grace to keep it going, however I am confident they are just as power hungry as other "ministries", peddling the Word of God for a profit. And yes, Leal, Quayle, Wiles, Perez, they are all buddies. If you go check WMC now, they are again, posting forum rules and whining about how exhausting it is to run the forum. So shut it off! They are not the saviors of the world! Whining= controlling= not lead of the Spirit.

Anonymous said...

I find it weird that you went looking for some 'nathan bashing'...why?

Anonymous said...

And here's another bit of advice I'd like to give to young Christians: any 'leader' who is not humble enough to be questioned is no leader, especially if they are questioned by someone in the same ranking: meaning-physically, spiritually, mentally the same age or older. Listen and watch for repentance, for admittance to failure. If someone cannot admit they were wrong about something, watch out! Pride comes before the fall!

Rick Godley said...

How many of you now can feel Luke 24:11? 'But these words appeared to them as nonsense, and they would not believe them'. (Notice who won't believe, not those 'lost people' out there, but those 'of the faith'! Even when the Proof is right in front of them!) Not to worry, they will get to verse 31, you did!

justseekingtruth said...

Hey Crier, Nathan and Donna are NOT my brother and sister in Christ. You got that? Go back to that forum and stay there. I know who you are and you know me but I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of saying who. Donna has been vicious and Nathan has told one false prophecy and vision after another. End of story. They both need to repent. Not that I'm any better but I am calling it as I see it and thank God we have a place to say it here without putting up with their holier than thou attitudes.

Anonymous said...

If you are who I think you are.....your toxic and need professional help.

Your right about one thing, Nathan and Donna are not your brother and sister in Christ. It's easy to tell.

I still pray for you continuously.


Anonymous said...

You have no idea Crier. And no, I don't need professional help. I have the Lord as my covering and my guide. You on the other hand choose to let a mere man lead you.

By the way, I am a professional. And it's in the field of psychology.

Now kindly take a hike.

Anonymous said...

Here is another reason I left Watchmanscry forum. Donna Leal commented on a youtube video that sickened me to the point of needing to vomit. Donna Leal thinks the behaviour in this youtube video is acceptable and the "proper way to discipline" a child. DISGUSTING. Her attitude disgusts me. This is child abuse. People like this do not deserve to be parents. May GOD have mercy on their souls.

I think Child Protection Services need to check in on the Leal children.

justmedonna (DONNA LEAL)
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Idaho
Posts: 245

No wonder there are so many spoiled brats in this world. People are afraid to properly discipline their children. And just exactly how is this girl disabled???? ADHD? Spoiled brat syndrome? Digital kleptomania?

If the girl would have bent over for the well deserved spanking (HER DADDY CAUGHT HER STEALING!!!!!) Then it would have been over in a few slaps of the belt.

What a spoiled brat.

She knew her fathers rules and CHOSE to break them.

It is a wonder that anyone is able to raise a Christian child these days.

Permissive parenting is one of the biggest causes for societies current demise.

Proverbs 29:15
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left [to himself] bringeth his mother to shame.

Hebrews 12:11
For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.

Proverbs 23:13-15
Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol. My son, if your heart is wise, my heart too will be glad.

Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

Deut: 20:18

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them,


Originally Posted by jimmyb
I can't believe the freakin morons on here that believe whipping anyone with a belt is acceptable...How neanderthalic are you supposedly civilized idiots............I wouldn't do that to a dog................

Donna Leal's reply:
I would

Rick Godley said...

Why do they call thier page a 'Fellowship Hall' when they trow people out?

Anonymous said...

Check this out!

God's Plan for the Family: Training Children

A Child Unspanked Is a Child Unloved

Anonymous said...

There is a distinct difference between discipline and abuse. The you tube video I posted above is abuse. Swearing at and continually belting a child or teenager in an angry and uncontrolled violent frenzy is not love. Nor is threatening to belt them in the face. Seriously? You are defending these actions?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
There is a distinct difference between discipline and abuse. The you tube video I posted above is abuse. Swearing at and continually belting a child or teenager in an angry and uncontrolled violent frenzy is not love. Nor is threatening to belt them in the face. Seriously? You are defending these actions?

December 3, 2011 8:29 PM


I cannot view these videos on my computer. I never even mentioned the video. But I would NEVER defend beating a child. Please read the article posted ( ). Nothing in this article says we should beat a child in the face, swear at a child or do any of those in frenzied anger. There is a HUGE difference between beating and discipline. If you discipline a child by spanking, you should never use a belt because you can't control where that belt lands. I think the article's idea of a wooden spoon would work fine, because you can control where it lands. Spanking should never be done anywhere but on the padded lower posterior! NEVER on the face, back or other parts of the body. Discipline isn't always spanking either. Sometimes the most painful form of discipline is taking away privileges, being grounded, extra chores, etc. But, children DO need to be disciplined. It should never be done out of anger, but it should be done because we love our children and they need to know that there are consequences when they do wrong. I posted the article because I think it gives anyone reading it a good Godly balance in how to discipline their children.

Anonymous said...

Sorry. Just read the title of the article and following my prior post , jumped to the wrong conclusion. Totally agree with your views on discipline vs abuse. HUGE difference.   I have heard Christian parents defend abusive methods of discipline and it breaks my heart. They defend their own and others actions as though God condones it, ("SPOILED BRAT" deserved it),  then ending their argument with OT scripture. 

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
(> take your rebellious son out to the elders to get stoned to death.)

Another poster from the same thread re: the YouTube video said:

" I have to say that I find nothing even remotely Christian-like in Judge Adams' words and actions, as he uses the Lord's name in vain several times ("Bend over the f'n bed G**dammit!") and threatens to "spank you in your f'n face" if she doesn't comply. The F word and some variation of GD were used over and over again, yet this is how Americans are supposed to raise "Christian children?" 

My thoughts exactly.  

Anonymous said...

Apology accepted!! Thank you! :-)

I grew up having a the belt used on me and my siblings. The belt goes everywhere (even across the face, peeling off skin ... been there!) and much swearing. I've raised my own children, without a belt! But they do remember the wooden spoon, declined privileges, etc. They're adults today, walking close to God!!!

Rick Godley said...

Is this a warning to all of us? Deuteronomy 13?

Watchman's Cry Struck with Fire!
Nathan Leal - December 6, 2011

Why do bad things happen? Many reasons, but when they do, it is then that we have the opportunity to trust God, no matter what!

Tonite, it is late, 2 AM....or very early! The firemen just left my property. They have been here almost 6 hours battling a fire.

Fire! Fire! Fire!

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Ok, I`m getting worried now. It seems that Donna has some mental health issues, but I don`t really know her so.. I do like Nathans messages.

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Where's the maturity on your part 'Anonymous'? Walk in the Light. Likewise, have you not read all the nit picking that goes on, on WC? And what maturity is there in tossing people over the wall? Then not wanting to discuss it directly but rather run away and hide?

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Does" being a Christian" mean keeping quiet when another Christian is an advocate for child abuse/bashing? By praying for them and that's it? Are we not meant to point out wrong? I don't feel like I am nit picking when I express anger at Donna Leal's approval of whipping and swearing at children. The Leal's put their own opinion out there all over the world wide web and openly state they are Christian. What is that telling non believer's?" Come, follow us and we will lead the the way our interpretation of child discipline is pull out the whip , swear at and put those children in their place....... or you will raise SPOILT BRATS"... ??? All in the name of Jesus. ??? Yep, thats going to get the non believers running to Christ.

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Tried to find Donna's post on YouTube but can't find it. If true, which I don't doubt, knowing her as I do....she is much sicker than I thought. :(

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Time after time, month after month, year after year, it was the same old story: "God told me this", and then it doesn't happen, "God told me that", and it doesn't happen. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that he was issuing the thoughts of his own mind and putting God's name on it.

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I can attest to Donna's "bitter" attitude. I believe it may be because of her "step monster" who helped raise her. She gives this story, but still seems to have unforgiveness in her heart toward her step mother, whom she repeatedly calls her "step monster." If she had forgiven her, she would not harbor such adjectives for her. I'm thinking she may still have issues due to this.

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2 - There is harshness going on in the forums. I was actually excited to find some like-minded people when I ran across this forum some time ago. However, shortly into my time there I was treated abruptly and harshly rebuked for my patriotic views. I won't go into the details lest they give away who I am (and I be ostracised and criticized further). Bottom line, people are at different places, and I love God with all my heart. I long to please Him and grow more like Him each day. Don't slam down on me in a judgmental manner assumming I'm like the last joker who was playing games with God. Treat me as if I truly want the truth, and come with love and gentleness with what God has shown you.

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Also, concerning the fire. I don't believe any of us should believe that this is either Satan or God's doing. Does this mean that Satan is attacking them because they're doing God's work? Or does it mean that God is judging them? I believe it's neither. I don't believe the fire reveals anything at all, unless we're prone to prophesy in the same way we're accusing Nathan of prophesying. It was a tragic fire, and I'm so glad that no one was hurt. I don't agree that he is "God's anointed," but I don't wish him or his family any harm.

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I don't see any Christian love on this blog.

How very sad for you all.

Remember the things that GOD hates....
I did not see spanking on that list.

mmm something to think about.

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Dear Anon,
You do realize that 'Jesus' didn't come to start another new religion called 'Christianity'? So you can't say that there is no 'christian' love on this page. He's the one that threw us over the Watchman Wall. A brother doesn't do that. Now keep in mind that he or his wife didn't know what they were doing at the time. We/I hold no grudges. We have all inherited lies, (Jer. 6:16)
Abba/Father is correcting us all and restoring us to His will. Just like Elijah.

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Just to make sure, the he I was referring to, isn't 'Jesus', it was either Nathan or his wife. 'Jesus' wouldn't do that. Remember He came to 'gather' up ALL the crumbs. (Restoration) Read into that the Lost Sheep. He is so gracious and merciful way beyond dogma, denominations and theology.

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