Tuesday, August 30, 2011

The Ungodly Watchman:Seeking Wealth with Quayle.

  1. I have a question/observation here. I have listened to Steve Quayle off and on over the last 2 years and when I realized that all I was feeling was anxiety and fear, that was not of God. I got frankly tired of hearing all about ‘buy gold and silver’ and whatever other goods were needed because something was about to happen at any moment.
    Here lies a problem with Nathan Leal. He has now joined up with Steve Quayle and does a weekly show on Quayle’s site, and does some advertising also. That seems like some double mindedness to me. We are in days of great deception and my concern is that Leal is not ‘under’ a new mantle with Quayle and it makes it appear that the focus is on money rather than messages that will encourage and edify the church. It’s so much doom and gloom, which we already have heard plenty of.
    Just my observation and now I am a bit mistrusting of Nathan.
  2. randymaugans says:
    Given that Nathan Leal has now chosen to prostitute himself by joining Steve Quayle; that he is part of the fear-for-money machine; and that he lacks discernment regarding both Quayle and Benjamin Baruch, we have to re-evaluate the statements made by him and conclude that he also has sold out.
    While I do not any longer listen—to Nathan, or anyone else—I can’t comment on his radio show. I will say that a lying spirit and a religious spirit bind these host and their listeners and prevent them from moving beyond the fear. We have nothing to fear…we are to repent and love God, regardless of the times. Truth is: end times prophecy is just another business model; the spirit is of error and not truth.
    Randy Maugans
  3. Thomas says:
    I will call NAthan and ask him about his radio show on the survive2thrive network it is my understanding that Nathan is truly seeking the will of God.
  4. Thomas says:
    Randy I love your Show i would like to talk to you about being on it
    Email me please
  5. Thomas says:
    As for Benjamin he to is a personal friend and is misunderstood by many. all I have to say is that the message of the true watchmen and Prophets will be Vexation of the Soul to those who hear it. so if you are offended or vexed then perhaps it i time to take a spiritual inventory and examin yourselve to see weather you are of the faith. Oh by the way stop going to the Harlot Church and seek God outside of this False system of “Churches”
    Church defined. origen Saxxon = Kirk or Kirkus a circle often refered to the term Circus
    Eklesia origen GR = Called out ones ( called out By God for God)
    there is a Difference
  6. randymaugans says:
    If, as you say, Benjamin Baruch is a personal friend, ask him WHY he continues to teach false doctrine (as I outlined in the show), why he is not accountable for errors in his book…and HOW does he continue to operate INSIDE Babylon’s corrupt money system as a financial analyst for corporate churches. Also ask him to clarify numerous trips he made around the country flying first-class with an unidentified woman….?
    We are all familiar with the corrupt church system, but the so-called “remnant” are just as corrupt. Baruch regularly appears on Rick Wiles’ TruNews, which uses the phony dodge of a “Corporate Sole” entity to escape the 501(c)3 tag…Wiles, like Baruch, holds false doctrines, false prophetic spirit, and operates EXACTLY like the world inside the Babylon money system. Baruch has failed predictions, as does Wiles dating back to 1998…I don’t recall seeing a retraction or repentence.
    Randy Maugans
  7. Thomas says:
    First I want to thank you for the Info I have been off the Grid for a while.
    Perhapps I need to re evaluate my connections to those who are false or at the very least bringing out false predictions. you can call me and we will talk I will E Mail my Number to you if you Give me youe Address and we can discus this furhter
  8. Thomas says:
    Got off the Phone with Nathan and you know what. if I wear you I would listen to what he says he is correct and doing what God has Given him to do and he does it faithfully
  9. Laura says:
    The thing of it is Thomas, you state that Benjamin Baruch is “misunderstood by many”. Funny, upon challenging him in an email once, that is exactly the excuse I received by him, I “misunderstood” him. Man, I thought I spoke English fairly well, and understood equally as well. I am so sorry, but I do not buy this. Let your yays be yay, and your nays be nay. What is up with this “misunderstanding” thingy … a newfound loophole?
    Following man/”men” in these endtimes will prove to be the downfall of many, many souls. Trusting in THEM and THEIR WORDS and INTERPRETATIONS instead of the pure WORD of GOD (no twists and personal acrobatics) will prove to be an eternal mistake. His WORD is what it says. It is what it is. It says what it says. “Ministers” add to the WORD with their (personal) insanity all too often. And the people “love” it that way, because it feels good and costs them nothing to believe lies. Believing the truth will cost you.
    If “they” put it out there, “they” are subject to a Scriptural scrutiny, as long as that is where the scrutiny comes from. The Scriptures: the FINAL authority. Worship no man. (God is a jealous God.) Judge their words by THE WORD. The ONE TRUE Spirit of God will help you….1 John 2:27….
    “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
    By His SPIRIT, says the LORD.
  10. Bill Aicardi says:
    It is one thing to have a false prophecy, you are not to fear them! But to ‘teach’ falsehoods is another thing. The Lord has given us plenty of witnesses to help us purify and sharpen our understanding. What Randy has written in all cases if true but many of you still cannot understand. If you watch associations on one man to another you will be enlightened a great deal. Then stand back and watch and listen and you find the false threads in their teachings. There is ‘no excuse’ for those who do not refine their understanding, they will stay where they are as God goes forward. I for one, have no patience with men who do not repent of their ‘mistakes’ or correct them so others can see. They are part of the delusion and are false teachers. The Holy Ghost leads into ALL TRUTH! Wake up – we are in the place we are today because of liars and thieves who steal what is Gods with their ‘false’ understanding or ‘blatant misleading’ of the body of Christ. There is a reason men do not recant and set the record straight – deceiving and being deceived. These are the men who cause division within the Body! MARK THEM
  11. bill johnson says:
    The main problem with the false prophets mentioned in the above posts is that they cannot rightly divide the word of God. Thus they are left to bet on a horse which is wearing a different number than what their own PRE CONCEIVED program says. The read on their program that Kelso is # 5. When in fact Kelso is really wearing #3 on the track. So they bet on # 5 (making future prophecy on Kelso) but it is not Kelso, it is some other nag. They got the wrong horse and the wrong jockey. Next post time the same thing happens again; they think they are betting on Dr. Fagar, but they got stuck with another nag in desquise.
    In other words they don’t know who is who in the bible. (identity crises).
  12. Drew Hamilton says:
    I’ve read all of these posts. I have listened to all of these men Benjamin, Xavier and Nathan. I have the spirit of God in me. The Spirit of God has spoken to me through all of these men. However, they are men and are subject to fleshly error. They would be the first to agree with me. However, I still love them in the Lord and extend God’s grace to them and I am appreciative of their boldness to speak. Thier words have confirmed what the Lord has been revealing to me for the last 30 years.
    However, I am suspect of the people who have issued these critical posts of them. I woud recommend that you all fast and pray and get close to the Lord and hear from the Lord himself. I have and what these men are preaching line up with what the Lord has been revealing to me through his Spirit.
    I would quote Matthew 5: 11-12 to these men.
    The day of the Lord begins at night, we are still in the night. Soon it will be day and these mens warnings will be validated.
    Drew Hamilton
  13. David says:
    Nathan Leal has completely sold out to become a full-blown survivalist on Steve Quayle’s show. But I never took any stock in what he said even before, because everything he ever said or posted on his website was about fear. I have never seen anyone so completely absorbed with and dedicated to spreading fear as this man is. He is a man who somehow thinks his calling is to incite as much fear as possible in the believers in today’s church. He calls that “waking people up.”
    Anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of Scripture knows we are called to the high office of spreading the good news of the Risen Christ and the gospel to all corners of the world. Jesus never commissioned anyone to spread fear. We are told to not fear that which can only destroy the body, but to fear that which can destroy both body and soul in hell. Matt. 10:28
    Mr. Leal is a headline hunter who can hardly conceal his excitement as he reads the news of each new disaster in the headlines, explaining to us that we will be the next victims if we don’t get our act straightened out with God. I prefer to read the Bible, where I am assured that I am covered by the blood of Christ, and that whatever happens to my body is for the greater glory of God, and will pale in significance to the great glory that awaits all those who obey the will of the Father in heaven.


Anonymous said...

I read this entire post and I do not see any proof that "the Watchman" is seeking wealth. Does he own a jet or something? If so...please prove it, otherwise you are bearing false witness against a brother in Christ.

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for Nathan. As soon as he joined up with Quayle I knew he sold out to the "Doomer Gospel" just like my favourate pastor in the 1970s sold out to the "Prosperity Gospel" I tried to warn Nathan and got banned. I have learned when a leader no longer follows the leading/warning of the Holy Spirit it is best to stop following that leader.

Anonymous said...

Again, wild how some of these "leaders and profits" can go on and on about stuff, but when someone warns them, they get banned.

justseekingtruth said...

Well if you look at Nathan's post from about 2 weeks ago I think, it was Watchmanscry 3rd anniversary. Nathan strongly reprimanded his 'followers' on the forum about only being thankful for the forum in word and not in 'deed'. His pleas for more money about turned my stomach. Poor folks are barely making it and he has the nerve to do that? If it's of God, the money will come if it's needed, not demanded!

Anonymous said...

Drew Hamilton says - "The Spirit of God has spoken to me through all of these men. However, they are men and are subject to fleshly error. They would be the first to agree with me. However, I still love them in the Lord and extend God’s grace to them and I am appreciative of their boldness to speak. Thier words have confirmed what the Lord has been revealing to me for the last 30 years."

Being "subject to fleshly error" is a cop out! A prophet is to speak boldy, without apology for God Almighty! There is no error, or there is an apology or an "I was wrong!"

How to discern a true prophet is outlined in scriptures! Do we go around this guideline to fit our own agenda? No - God forbid!

If God spoke, then it will come to pass! If He did not, then it WILL NOT come to pass! It's as simple as that!

Where we complicate the matter is when we question and change things (like Eve did in the garden of Eden)


Otherwise, if you say "thus saith the Lord" and He didn't say it - You're in trouble with God!

If for one am afraid to say "God said it" unless I know that I know that I KNOW that the Almighty God of the Universe SAID IT!


JD Ellis said...

Amen to that last post. When will these so-called prophets finally get it that when God says not to put words in His mouth, HE MEANS IT. These people are playing with (hell) fire by thinking its a game to issue statements supposedly from God which are nothing nore than dreams and figments of their feeble minds. And they compound their error by collecting money for doing this. May God have mercy on Nathan, Augusto Perez, Rick Wiles, and the whole lot of these internet scoundrels.

Anonymous said...

I warned Nathan a year ago the way I wished I would have warned my 'posperity preacher' in 1978. It did appear he returned to preaching the gospel, but maybe too late to save a forum. It would be so hard to be a Christian Leader today. They make mistakes the same as we all do, finding our way home to our Father. It's not an easy walk.

Somni said...

God shook me up last week to "prepare" and I quickly found myself believing the prophecies of Dumitru Duduman, Rick Wiles, and Steven Quayle. Before, I have not been an obedient Christian, but God shook me and I began to repent and really follow him. But God was trying to show me how easily one can fall for the deception of false prophecy. I was swept up in the grand details and prophecies of Steven Quayle, Dumitru Duduman, and Rick Wiles. For almost two weeks I was led to believe that these were truly men of God.

But after doing some research, I discovered that they all have flaws in their prophecies, and they even have failed prophecies. Just one flaw, and especially, one failed prophecy is enough to discredit them.

Don't get me wrong, they are sincere, and honest, and they really want to help others. They believe they are doing the right thing. But their information is not right; it is not wholly based on the Word. Don't believe me? Then do your research, and see for yourself; ask God to reveal to you whether their visions are truly from God, or from Satan. Their pre-wrath prophecies just do not fit with the Word.

I believe God was showing me how powerful Satan is, and how easily he can "dress" as an angel of light. Satan is very sneaky, and very smart; he's been at it for thousands of years, and he has deceived so many of our brothers and sisters. I am not surprised that he even feigns prophetic visions and dreams to fool Christians who really really were trying to follow God. I was deceived, and I feel like a fool for not being smart about it, or really taking it to the Lord. I can only imagine the horror and anger and shame that will brew for all those who are still deceived by the time Christ returns.

It is sad, and really unfortunate.

Please, if you follow any of these men, or anyone who claims to have had prophetic visions, take a REAL good look, and scrutinize who they are, what they are saying, and how much of their information is truly Biblical. Remember, that God has already said all he ever needed to say in the Bible. If he wanted to say more, he would have done it in the Word. His Word is finished. I urge you to place your complete trust in God alone, and to obey him, and live life after him, and no matter what happens, he will protect you.

Anonymous said...

Randy Maugins states that Benjamin Baruch is a regular on TruNews...That is a total fabrication. Go back and look at TruNews Archives...Benjamin is not a regular and has not been on their in years....

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